Please!! I think this particular thread has allready generated more messages, while providing ZERO useful information than just about any subject I have seen for quite some time. If someone has info about problems with rpc.cmsd, please share it so admins can take appropriate action, whether it is disabling the service, devising a work-around, or patching/porting a freeware version (assuming vendors won't have a timely fix). If there is no known problem, please say that so people are not disabling a service needlessly (that is a form of attack, too - causing admins to needlessly shut down services). But we can live without all this silly teasing. Put more succinctly, I think it's 'shit or get off the pot' time. -- pat@rwing [If all fails, try: rwing!pat@eskimo.com] Pat Myrto - Seattle WA "No one has the right to destroy another person's belief by demanding empirical evidence." -- Ann Landers, nationally syndicated advice columnist and Director at Handgun Control Inc.